Even though the non-axial thrust components are balanced, they produce a moment about the CG of the boat, which tends to rotate/list the boat - and is discussed further below. Furthermore, in a case like this where the smaller offset tab is needed for propeller clearance, the tab surface area is only about half the normal tab and it will only generate half the force. Ski, Wakeboard Parts, Rule 1500 GPH Automatic I added a set of trim tabs to correct listing while on plane, but when the boats stationary its a matter of balancing the load. 33.5' Hunter 33 Portsmouth, Virginia Asking $52,250. to the starboard side so there isn't much else I can do here. My issue is that my boat list (leans) to PORT while docked. The best I could do is move as much weight to starboard, and I always moved my passengers if I could. If an engine has a right hand rotating propeller, steering wheel should be on the right or starboard side. Of course there are times and wave conditions when it is desirable to intentionally raise or lower the bow to put the hull on a certain attitude for meeting waves, and engine trim is useful for accomplishing this. So I always keep the tank full and store all my boat equipment on the port side. From this page you can search the details of over 100,000 boats registered on the Inland Waterways of England and Wales. Utter nonsense. forces and how they act (or don't act as the case may be)on hull list. Galley, Barbeque Join our mailing list for updates. Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features! Accessories, Electronic Navigation Acessories, Fish Cleaning I would think this could now be set straight, and the curve would automatically adjust for the steering torque. Products, Carbon Monoxide & Whether you’re cashing out of your investment or upgrading to a bigger boat, we can help you sell your used boat online fast on Boat Trader.com - the #1 marketplace for new and used boats. Terminal She lists hard to port once she's on plane on up to WOT. Anchor Box Anchors, Fishing Rod & Reel Hardware, Boat Cabin Fasteners, Boat Windshield I have hydraulic steering so the steering torque does not bother me. Distribution of the weight in the boat affects static trim. If your boat is perfectly level at rest, not listing or dragging at plowing speeds or on the acceleration to plane, but only veers off and tries to take control when you get onto plane perhaps you need to adjust your engine trim up a little when you come over the top onto plane. Often the best you could do was to just back up straight, backing across the channel, then turning toward the exit and going forward. Kits, Boat Trailer Vinyl, Floating Boat It seems this dynamic alone would create twisting or torque load and in the direction of prop. I believe that the cause of this sideways component is due to a slight variation in how the blades of the propeller interact with the water. The first two are effects which cause the boat to lean or list to one side. All, Anchor & Caulking, Marine Engine Shelters, Boat favorite this post Nov 24 2004 Angler 18 ft center console $12,900 (Jensen beach) pic hide this posting restore restore this posting. See Details. Happy holidays. He has hydraulic steering which does not allow the motor to turn the steering wheel. Welcome to the Boat Listing section of Canalplan AC. One thing Sean does not tell us is exactly where the motor is set on the transom. Bow. If you remove the steering tab or reduce it's effectiveness, it seems to me this force has to go some other place, i.e., hull list to port. Anglers Port Marine New and Used on boats.iboats.com. 31' Chaparral Boat Yard Bombay Clipper 31 Seattle, Washington Asking $24,750. You could always add ballast to level it out, but it could affect fuel consumption. Insurance, Boat Baloney. Bullet Skimmer, Paint and Vertical - remember that water is incompressible and at the same temperature and pressure, the density will be the same. Bow lift, stern lift, torque steer and crabbing all come from the unbalanced forces from the propeller. If there was an unbalnce between one side of the prop and the other, there would be a very signicant vibration and propllers would not be used. To reduce the lean in the static trim you must re-distribute the weight in the hull. Steering linkage should have enough adequate sized pulleys, properly swiveled and with the right cable tension. And a bit further, the list generated (albeit small), via the prop changes the buoyant forces acting on the boat - which will cause the boat to drift a bit to port or starboard - which is dependent on the hull design. --static trim: the tendency of the boat at rest to lean to one side or be down by the bow or stern; --propeller torque; the tendency for the boat when under power to lean to the side opposite from the propeller shaft rotation direction; and. When looking towards the bow, the left-hand side of the boat is the port side. While we may have the knowledge to explain what causes this torque steer effect, it is surely there and the steering tab is one way to attempt to offset it's effects. 2- Nothing mounted in that area now. Port Carling Boats. It may not display this or other websites correctly. When talking differences in water density, guess I'm thinking mainly about the hull (and stuff attached to it) having some affect on the amount of air entrained in the water near the surface. leaves the water, the more force is applied by the prop. 25 years old, verify you don't have any hull deformation, only takes a little bit to make a big difference in planing attitude. Please advise the errors in my very basic reasoning. I have a little more weight than you in the stern, albeit on a wider hull. Rails, Marine Tools & Tool I played around with engine trim but was unable to notice any effect on the list. All rights reserved. Not usually. Tom, the Enertia is a large diameter prop so maybe 2 holes up instead of 3 holes up to keep the prop submerged?? The engine/drive should be trimmed in for best start-up acceleration and shortest time to plane. $5.00 + $2.27 shipping . I often wished I had trim tabs on the transom, or just one on the port side. Rafts, Paddle Battery Charger, Marine Audio & profile | register | author help, Boat RiggingOutrage 18, Mercury Optimax 150, Enertia 16, flat anodeYamaha T8 mounted to port transomSmall fuel tank and oil reservoir in splash wellTwo Group-27 batteries in console12x12 Lenco trim tabsTransducer on starboard sideMisc. You have a very good way of simply explaining sometimes complex problems. If a hull leans to the left, for example, there will be a tendency for the hydraulic resistance of the hull to be greater on the left, and this will produce a tendency for the hull to turn left. Parts, Sacrificial Anodes & Deals, Electronics List per Page: Results: 1 - 33 of 33 . If the boat has a list to one side when at rest, those same forces continue to affect the boat when it is underway. Maybe we're mixing theoretical propeller forces with real world propeller forces. Category, View 40 Sea Ray Sundancer - Preowned - Year: 1998 - Length: 40 Feet - Current Price: US$ 118,900 - Located in Port Clinton - Hull Material: Fiberglass - Engine/Fuel Type: Cat 3116 350 hp & Dock, Anchor Chains & This effect continues when the boat is underway. JavaScript is disabled. Seats, Pontoon Boat Seats & This often results in the hull becoming more sensitive to forces that will cause a list to one side than when at rest or when moving at low speeds where much more of the hull is immersed and the outer runners are in the water. That blade is, of course, the top-most blade. & Smoke It sure seems to me your motor may need some steering trim tab. I know my hull is wider and larger, but with the T8 on one side and the dual batteries on the other I get no list whatsoever while running. If a boat has a V-hull design with a more or less constant dead rise carried right to the transom, the portion of the hull that remains in the water when the boat is on plane remains mostly V-shaped. blade as it "digs" into the water (like an auger digging a hole)? What happens is that you answer a question or one of us answers you and no one can tell if we are responding to the original poster or you. Home; Classic Boats. Further, the larger the blades, the more pronounced the list effect will be. That is the tim tab on the motor, which Sean is not using. Now, even though the upward, downward, right and left forces are balanced, those same forces provide a moment about the CG of the boat. Switches, Shore Power & AC blade breaking the water surface, I don't think this is uncommon and not something you will necessarily hear at the helm....other than the sound of your motor RPMs increasing. Dollies, SportsStuff Great Big My plan will be to:- Raise the motor to be 2 or 3 holes up - Install a tab under the cav plate- Move as much weight to starboard as possible. The kicker was added after the Enertia nad I know the kicker is a big contributor to the lean. Anyhow, very interesting discussions. Meters, Marine Electrical Panels The trim tab on the motor most certainly CAN have a big effect in reducing list, but only on motors mounted low enough that the trim tab is in the flow of water while the boat is at cruising speed. has this "screwing" action into the water, this means that even though it is transferring from one blade to the other very rapidly, one blade has to impart the force, then the next, then the next. I am primarily interested in correcting the list while planing and what effect the choice of propeller has on said list. Would adding an extended steering tab designed for higher rake props (clearance) enable me to reduce the prop torque and list or just the steering torque? Most modern mechanical steering system use a no-feedback mechanism as well. 3138512 France CANNES Fishing Boats Port & Mont-Chevalier view. Protection, Ladders, Steps, & Or, if the engine must be trimmed out to raise the bow when on plane, perhaps the boat needs some lifting strakes on the hull or less weight in the bow. The last is an effect produced by the first two. Refers to the front end of a boat. Home; Classic Boats. Kits, Seadog Stainless Steel Cup AN I have my E-tec 90 on a jack plate, but this discussion has started to make me wonder if it is causing problems I never considered before. Acessories, Fishing Outriggers & Some are not and we were given permission to use. 42.5' Sabre 425 Montego Bay Jamaica Asking $89,900. Most sailors were right handed, so the steering oar was placed over or through the right side of the stern. Buy and sell locally. Our sailboat was in a slip located such that the exit from the marina was to Starboard. ---- Jerry/Idaho. if you haven't heard in today's news on MSN there was an article on a boat accident that occurred this sunday. By trimming the motors out the propeller shaft is not level and while that, in itself, may introduce some sort of inefficiency, the lift of the hull and the reduction of wetted surface as well as reduced gearcase drag more than compensates for that. I ordered a new one from Yamaha for my F115, and it was curved, not straight like the original one. The rotation of the propeller creates forward thrust, but there is also a small sideways component created. It's not there merely to minimize list caused by propeller torque by keeping the propeller shaft horizontal. This is worse for me since I don't have hydraulic or NFB steering. The forces are most certainly not balanced. Biminis, Paint and Charts & And I would love to see how high the motor could be mounted on an Outrage 18 without ventilation problems. Regarding the water density - side to side the density is about the same. Contact vivaboats.com at [email protected] boats… On my boat, a 22-footer with Whaler Drive, I find that moving one crew from outboard to centerline or vice versa will usually compensate for any lean. ---- Jerry/Idaho3. The Enertia seemed to list more than the Stiletto (non-scientific) but the boat generally handles better and gets better mileage with the Enertia. Telescopes, Covers and Since no one has asked; Once up on plane and at speed are you then trimming the motor up (or out) to adjust the running angle and level the boat out? That is why we have power trim and tilt that allows for the engine trim to be adjusted for varying conditions. When a V-hull boat is on plane, the amount of the hull in the water is significantly reduced. 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